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		<title>By: guthrie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2008/11/18/another-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think TPS is partly right.  I just think they don&#039;t go far enough.  NASA should get out of the transportation business altogether.  So, fine.  Concentrate on science.  Concentrate on finding life elsewhere.  If we&#039;re talking about letting the free market dictate policy, then let&#039;s let NASA move out of the way and allow private companies settle on the Lunar surface.  Let private industry shoulder the burden of funding trips to, from, and stays on the Moon.  It would be safer, cheaper, and faster than anything any state program could come up with.  All they need to do is get out of the way.  Let them have their science.  Let them further not keep us from reaping the benifits of going ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think TPS is partly right.  I just think they don&#8217;t go far enough.  NASA should get out of the transportation business altogether.  So, fine.  Concentrate on science.  Concentrate on finding life elsewhere.  If we&#8217;re talking about letting the free market dictate policy, then let&#8217;s let NASA move out of the way and allow private companies settle on the Lunar surface.  Let private industry shoulder the burden of funding trips to, from, and stays on the Moon.  It would be safer, cheaper, and faster than anything any state program could come up with.  All they need to do is get out of the way.  Let them have their science.  Let them further not keep us from reaping the benifits of going ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: The Vision for Space Exploration (VSE) and Project Constellation &#124; The Once and Future Moon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2008/11/18/another-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>The Vision for Space Exploration (VSE) and Project Constellation &#124; The Once and Future Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I have discussed previously, the VSE was an attempt to give a long-term strategic direction to our national space program after the tragic loss of Space Shuttle Columbia in 2003.  It called for the return of Shuttle to flight, completion of the International Space Station, retirement of the Shuttle, development of a new manned spacecraft, a return to the Moon and finally, human missions to Mars and other destinations.  Unlike President Kennedy’s Apollo challenge to reach the Moon “before this decade is out”, the motivation for the VSE was to create a long-term, continuing commitment to human spaceflight.  Toward that end, it specified what we were to do beyond low Earth orbit – to understand and use the resources of space to create new spacefaring capability.  Such an expansion of capability was the purpose for making the use of local resources a principal activity of lunar return in the original Presidential speech. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I have discussed previously, the VSE was an attempt to give a long-term strategic direction to our national space program after the tragic loss of Space Shuttle Columbia in 2003.  It called for the return of Shuttle to flight, completion of the International Space Station, retirement of the Shuttle, development of a new manned spacecraft, a return to the Moon and finally, human missions to Mars and other destinations.  Unlike President Kennedy’s Apollo challenge to reach the Moon “before this decade is out”, the motivation for the VSE was to create a long-term, continuing commitment to human spaceflight.  Toward that end, it specified what we were to do beyond low Earth orbit – to understand and use the resources of space to create new spacefaring capability.  Such an expansion of capability was the purpose for making the use of local resources a principal activity of lunar return in the original Presidential speech. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Krukin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2008/11/18/another-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Krukin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are Jupiter-size potholes in The Planetary Society&#039;s Space Exploration Roadmap.

Quoting from the press release: &quot;The Planetary Society today outlined a vigorous new approach to space exploration for the consideration of the new U.S. Administration and Congress.&quot; Right. It&#039;s so vigorous that it almost completely ignores the fundamental source of vigor that will be necessary if the Roadmap is to be achieved. Not to mention two other significant flaws.

While the Roadmap makes some good points about interplanetary flight, the need for international commitment and cooperation, and for letting capability drive the timeframe, it is still too mired in the ClassicSpace paradigm of national space programs. I simply do not see enough evidence to believe that any nation&#039;s government space program, or collective multi-national programs, can maintain the consistent political and funding support required to achieve the Roadmap&#039;s goals. The best solution is to use a wise combination of public-private efforts that take advantage of the competitive nature of the emerging NewSpace industry. Unfortunately, there is barely a breath about the emerging entrepreneurial space industry (NewSpace) in the Roadmap, and certainly not to any degree that reflects an understanding that NewSpace must be the fundamental underpinning rather than a mere supporting player.

The Planetary Society&#039;s solution for insufficient funding leads to another significant flaw. Again, quoting from the press release, the plan calls for &quot;deferring humans landing on the Moon until the costs of the interplanetary transportation system and shuttle replacement are largely paid.&quot; What kind of vision is this? It makes no sense to bypass what will become humanity&#039;s first celestial economic subsidiary.

I can only assume that the proposed deferring of human lunar landings is a direct outcome of The Planetary Society&#039;s inability or unwillingness to move beyond the ClassicSpace focus on exploration. And therein lies the third flaw in the Roadmap; the complete exclusion of the word &quot;settlement,&quot; which also occurred in the very useful June 2004 &quot;Report of the President&#039;s Commission on Implementation of United States Sace Exploration Policy&quot; (aka, The Aldridge Report). Note that &quot;Exploration&quot; is in the title of both documents.

Whether it&#039;s President Bush&#039;s Vision for Space Exploration or The Planetary Society&#039;s Roadmap, neither offers the economic sustainability and New World excitement that settlement would provide, which will only occur with the private sector leading the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are Jupiter-size potholes in The Planetary Society&#8217;s Space Exploration Roadmap.</p>
<p>Quoting from the press release: &#8220;The Planetary Society today outlined a vigorous new approach to space exploration for the consideration of the new U.S. Administration and Congress.&#8221; Right. It&#8217;s so vigorous that it almost completely ignores the fundamental source of vigor that will be necessary if the Roadmap is to be achieved. Not to mention two other significant flaws.</p>
<p>While the Roadmap makes some good points about interplanetary flight, the need for international commitment and cooperation, and for letting capability drive the timeframe, it is still too mired in the ClassicSpace paradigm of national space programs. I simply do not see enough evidence to believe that any nation&#8217;s government space program, or collective multi-national programs, can maintain the consistent political and funding support required to achieve the Roadmap&#8217;s goals. The best solution is to use a wise combination of public-private efforts that take advantage of the competitive nature of the emerging NewSpace industry. Unfortunately, there is barely a breath about the emerging entrepreneurial space industry (NewSpace) in the Roadmap, and certainly not to any degree that reflects an understanding that NewSpace must be the fundamental underpinning rather than a mere supporting player.</p>
<p>The Planetary Society&#8217;s solution for insufficient funding leads to another significant flaw. Again, quoting from the press release, the plan calls for &#8220;deferring humans landing on the Moon until the costs of the interplanetary transportation system and shuttle replacement are largely paid.&#8221; What kind of vision is this? It makes no sense to bypass what will become humanity&#8217;s first celestial economic subsidiary.</p>
<p>I can only assume that the proposed deferring of human lunar landings is a direct outcome of The Planetary Society&#8217;s inability or unwillingness to move beyond the ClassicSpace focus on exploration. And therein lies the third flaw in the Roadmap; the complete exclusion of the word &#8220;settlement,&#8221; which also occurred in the very useful June 2004 &#8220;Report of the President&#8217;s Commission on Implementation of United States Sace Exploration Policy&#8221; (aka, The Aldridge Report). Note that &#8220;Exploration&#8221; is in the title of both documents.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s President Bush&#8217;s Vision for Space Exploration or The Planetary Society&#8217;s Roadmap, neither offers the economic sustainability and New World excitement that settlement would provide, which will only occur with the private sector leading the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Paul D. Spudis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2008/11/18/another-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Paul D. Spudis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

My comment in regard to asteroids was only in the context of Carl Sagan&#039;s famous opinion that the Moon is &quot;boring.&quot;  If he thought the Moon boring, how is it that asteroids could be &quot;interesting&quot; as they display fewer planetary processes than the Moon does.

I am not against asteroid missions, but think that we have work to do on the Moon first.  Moreover, the materials processing experience we get on the Moon is directly applicable to asteroid mining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>My comment in regard to asteroids was only in the context of Carl Sagan&#8217;s famous opinion that the Moon is &#8220;boring.&#8221;  If he thought the Moon boring, how is it that asteroids could be &#8220;interesting&#8221; as they display fewer planetary processes than the Moon does.</p>
<p>I am not against asteroid missions, but think that we have work to do on the Moon first.  Moreover, the materials processing experience we get on the Moon is directly applicable to asteroid mining.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Beattie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2008/11/18/another-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In support of Carl Sagan

Ah, as a famous politician once said: &quot;There you go again&quot; Dr. Spudis. Despite a recent NRC report supporting the scientific importance of returning to the Moon, the arguments for spending huge sums to send US robots and astronauts back to the Moon can not be justified upon close examination notwithstanding such an illustrious endorsement. (See &quot;A Critique of the NRC Report: The Scientific Context for Exploration of the Moon-Final Report,&quot; Space Times, Sept/Oct 2007 issue By Donald Beattie) If placed in a priority list of what are the most important programs and questions that should be addressed with NASA&#039;s limited resources, studying the Moon would be low on the list. We are not in a race with other countries to land on the Moon despite what some proclaim. If they want to spend the huge sums needed to repeat what we accomplished 40 years ago, so be it.

Even NASA says it is not a top priority but would be done in conjunction with other objectives NASA has listed for returning, also of questionable importance. NASA space exploration should not be dominated by one objective, a priority that I doubt will be embraced by the next administration and congress. Consider the April GAO report that estimates to complete Constellation will require $230 billion, and that does not include Ares V or other requirements to put an outpost on the Moon. ALL NASA programs must be placed in priority, including aeronautical research, and then probable future budgets applied accordingly. Respectfully, Don Beattie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In support of Carl Sagan</p>
<p>Ah, as a famous politician once said: &#8220;There you go again&#8221; Dr. Spudis. Despite a recent NRC report supporting the scientific importance of returning to the Moon, the arguments for spending huge sums to send US robots and astronauts back to the Moon can not be justified upon close examination notwithstanding such an illustrious endorsement. (See &#8220;A Critique of the NRC Report: The Scientific Context for Exploration of the Moon-Final Report,&#8221; Space Times, Sept/Oct 2007 issue By Donald Beattie) If placed in a priority list of what are the most important programs and questions that should be addressed with NASA&#8217;s limited resources, studying the Moon would be low on the list. We are not in a race with other countries to land on the Moon despite what some proclaim. If they want to spend the huge sums needed to repeat what we accomplished 40 years ago, so be it.</p>
<p>Even NASA says it is not a top priority but would be done in conjunction with other objectives NASA has listed for returning, also of questionable importance. NASA space exploration should not be dominated by one objective, a priority that I doubt will be embraced by the next administration and congress. Consider the April GAO report that estimates to complete Constellation will require $230 billion, and that does not include Ares V or other requirements to put an outpost on the Moon. ALL NASA programs must be placed in priority, including aeronautical research, and then probable future budgets applied accordingly. Respectfully, Don Beattie</p>
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		<title>By: Don Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is not Moon Or Mars...it&#039;s the first step...getting into space. It the human launch issue the next NASA administrator must address...buy foreign or fly shuttle...issue addressed in my webpage...appreciate comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is not Moon Or Mars&#8230;it&#8217;s the first step&#8230;getting into space. It the human launch issue the next NASA administrator must address&#8230;buy foreign or fly shuttle&#8230;issue addressed in my webpage&#8230;appreciate comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rohrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Rohrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Spudis,

Thank you for the post.  Well done.  I was a member of TPS years ago... let my membership lapse.  The lapse will continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Spudis,</p>
<p>Thank you for the post.  Well done.  I was a member of TPS years ago&#8230; let my membership lapse.  The lapse will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: enb_48</title>
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		<dc:creator>enb_48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 cheers for Paul Spudis, the Scientist for the rest of us! I&#039;ve cancelled my membership with TPS and urged all my friends to do the same. Although some of their sponsored projects have merit (e.g. solar sail, SETI at home, asteroid search), their management has lost their way. You&#039;d think that their tumbling membership numbers over the past few years would give them a clue. But apparently not. This time they have crossed the line. They need to get off their elitist academic haunches and realize that space exploration is not just for scientific weenies who worship Carl Sagan. They have a valid role to play - but not by burning the current precariously built bridges exemplified by VSE. They need to get in sync with NSS, SFF, Moon Society, and the industrial space advocacy partnerships. These are the groups that will advocate space exploration for the rest of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 cheers for Paul Spudis, the Scientist for the rest of us! I&#8217;ve cancelled my membership with TPS and urged all my friends to do the same. Although some of their sponsored projects have merit (e.g. solar sail, SETI at home, asteroid search), their management has lost their way. You&#8217;d think that their tumbling membership numbers over the past few years would give them a clue. But apparently not. This time they have crossed the line. They need to get off their elitist academic haunches and realize that space exploration is not just for scientific weenies who worship Carl Sagan. They have a valid role to play &#8211; but not by burning the current precariously built bridges exemplified by VSE. They need to get in sync with NSS, SFF, Moon Society, and the industrial space advocacy partnerships. These are the groups that will advocate space exploration for the rest of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they want human missions to empty points in space and to investigate the abundant and varied problems posed by large orbiting rocks.&quot;

Hey!  Why are you dissing asteroids?  You are making both a scientific case for understanding the origins and evolution of the solar system, and for the use of space resources to expand our economic sphere.  Surely you would agree that asteroids are essential targets for both of those areas.  They provide information about the original building blocks of the solar system that has been obscured in the Moon&#039;s very complicated and possibly massively violent history, and they have abundant resources that are not trapped in a deep gravity well like the Moon&#039;s.

While the Moon is a very worthy and under-appreciated target both scientifically and economically, I think you do your case disservice by trying to cast aspersions on asteroids as targets simply because they are advocated by a report you didn&#039;t like.  It seems to me that your stated interests in a human expansion into space and the understanding of the evolution of the solar system would lead you to strongly advocate both Lunar and asteroid missions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they want human missions to empty points in space and to investigate the abundant and varied problems posed by large orbiting rocks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey!  Why are you dissing asteroids?  You are making both a scientific case for understanding the origins and evolution of the solar system, and for the use of space resources to expand our economic sphere.  Surely you would agree that asteroids are essential targets for both of those areas.  They provide information about the original building blocks of the solar system that has been obscured in the Moon&#8217;s very complicated and possibly massively violent history, and they have abundant resources that are not trapped in a deep gravity well like the Moon&#8217;s.</p>
<p>While the Moon is a very worthy and under-appreciated target both scientifically and economically, I think you do your case disservice by trying to cast aspersions on asteroids as targets simply because they are advocated by a report you didn&#8217;t like.  It seems to me that your stated interests in a human expansion into space and the understanding of the evolution of the solar system would lead you to strongly advocate both Lunar and asteroid missions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Mahoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put, Paul, but I must take issue with your terminology re: priesthood.

True priests try to keep their minds open to newly revealed wisdom and always question, with thorough deliberation and consideration of potential new insights, if the precepts of their subscribed religion conform to a greater more accurate truth.

  TPS has always struck me as more akin to a Mars-obsessed cult, self-appointed keepers of an exclusive vision based on a &quot;superior&quot; knowledge.

Describing them as an elite priesthood is insulting to many priests.

  The greatest irony here remains the fact that it was a TPS-sponsored study, co-chaired by the current NASA administrator, that begat the ESAS architecture (Big Stick &amp; all) that is currently hobbling the original, grander purpose of the VSE that was articulated so well by both the President and Marburger. How ridiculous it is that they themselves would now seek to derail its foundational premise of lunar return as a stepping-stone to the rest of the solar system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put, Paul, but I must take issue with your terminology re: priesthood.</p>
<p>True priests try to keep their minds open to newly revealed wisdom and always question, with thorough deliberation and consideration of potential new insights, if the precepts of their subscribed religion conform to a greater more accurate truth.</p>
<p>  TPS has always struck me as more akin to a Mars-obsessed cult, self-appointed keepers of an exclusive vision based on a &#8220;superior&#8221; knowledge.</p>
<p>Describing them as an elite priesthood is insulting to many priests.</p>
<p>  The greatest irony here remains the fact that it was a TPS-sponsored study, co-chaired by the current NASA administrator, that begat the ESAS architecture (Big Stick &amp; all) that is currently hobbling the original, grander purpose of the VSE that was articulated so well by both the President and Marburger. How ridiculous it is that they themselves would now seek to derail its foundational premise of lunar return as a stepping-stone to the rest of the solar system.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Fabio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.airspacemag.com/moon/2008/11/18/another-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Fabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fascinating response to an otherwise unpublicized event.  I took away two key points here:

1. To overlook the Moon as a point of exploration is akin to saying that all scientific exploration of the Moon has been exhausted.  And yet, we know very little about this planet, the closest neighbor to our own, and, as the article points out, one with a &quot;complex history closely tied to the origin and evolution of the Earth.&quot;

2. The Vision for Space Exploration was, and is, intended to benefit a broad range of people.  Indeed it seems fortuitous that NASA would go so far as to write a proposal benefiting not only NASA scientists, but private space as well.  For humankind to benefit, we need competition AND collaboration.  We cannot limit ourselves to the larger, sexier targets, but we need to open up markets and possibilities beyond the scope of pure science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating response to an otherwise unpublicized event.  I took away two key points here:</p>
<p>1. To overlook the Moon as a point of exploration is akin to saying that all scientific exploration of the Moon has been exhausted.  And yet, we know very little about this planet, the closest neighbor to our own, and, as the article points out, one with a &#8220;complex history closely tied to the origin and evolution of the Earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. The Vision for Space Exploration was, and is, intended to benefit a broad range of people.  Indeed it seems fortuitous that NASA would go so far as to write a proposal benefiting not only NASA scientists, but private space as well.  For humankind to benefit, we need competition AND collaboration.  We cannot limit ourselves to the larger, sexier targets, but we need to open up markets and possibilities beyond the scope of pure science.</p>
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		<title>By: Vacuum.Head</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vacuum.Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we cannot drag everything we need with us from the deep gravity well of the Earth.&quot;
And then put it at the bottom of another one!
Phobos First! (But only after L1, L2, Moon, ESL2, an assortment of NEOs...)
With regard to your critique, Henry agrees and so do I http://tinyurl.com/6ogow5
BTW Nice to hear of your involvement with Chandrayaan.
Looking for independent confirmation that the impactor hit Shackleton!
Can you oblige?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we cannot drag everything we need with us from the deep gravity well of the Earth.&#8221;<br />
And then put it at the bottom of another one!<br />
Phobos First! (But only after L1, L2, Moon, ESL2, an assortment of NEOs&#8230;)<br />
With regard to your critique, Henry agrees and so do I <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6ogow5" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6ogow5</a><br />
BTW Nice to hear of your involvement with Chandrayaan.<br />
Looking for independent confirmation that the impactor hit Shackleton!<br />
Can you oblige?</p>
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		<title>By: To the Moon Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>To the Moon Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on!  The Planetary Society has basically become a cult full of elite space wannabies, all paying unchanging homage to their leader who died over a decade ago.  Ironic, considering that Sagan was an atheist.  Now he is a minor deity with a group of followers who don&#039;t want to share or change a thing.  The Roadmap issue is a major case in point.

While Sagan was portrayed (largely by himself, no less) as the scientist spokesman for the people, in truth he was always about educating the elite few while throwing scraps to the masses to placate them.  The priesthood of science was his domain.  He did not hesistate to trash on anyone who thought differently from him and his little cabal of followers.

How much of a planetary scientist was Sagan if he could actually call the Moon &quot;boring&quot;?  This just shows he had another agenda in mind, one that had nothing to do with science. Read the Sagan bio by Keay Davidson to get some clarity on the true motives behind this man.
They weren&#039;t all scientific, that&#039;s for sure.

Way too much has been made about Mars.  The Moon is our first logical stepping stone.  Let us hope as Sagan&#039;s memory fades into the past that his outdated agenda will as well.

In the meantime, let us stop supporting groups like TPS that do not care about science and the public.  Hit them in their bank accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on!  The Planetary Society has basically become a cult full of elite space wannabies, all paying unchanging homage to their leader who died over a decade ago.  Ironic, considering that Sagan was an atheist.  Now he is a minor deity with a group of followers who don&#8217;t want to share or change a thing.  The Roadmap issue is a major case in point.</p>
<p>While Sagan was portrayed (largely by himself, no less) as the scientist spokesman for the people, in truth he was always about educating the elite few while throwing scraps to the masses to placate them.  The priesthood of science was his domain.  He did not hesistate to trash on anyone who thought differently from him and his little cabal of followers.</p>
<p>How much of a planetary scientist was Sagan if he could actually call the Moon &#8220;boring&#8221;?  This just shows he had another agenda in mind, one that had nothing to do with science. Read the Sagan bio by Keay Davidson to get some clarity on the true motives behind this man.<br />
They weren&#8217;t all scientific, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>Way too much has been made about Mars.  The Moon is our first logical stepping stone.  Let us hope as Sagan&#8217;s memory fades into the past that his outdated agenda will as well.</p>
<p>In the meantime, let us stop supporting groups like TPS that do not care about science and the public.  Hit them in their bank accounts.</p>
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